tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019242355400566406.post387435689771283998..comments2023-05-20T04:57:44.328-07:00Comments on Seda's Ramblings: Good and EvilSedahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13992966189983263290noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019242355400566406.post-66437935464882649052009-03-11T21:23:00.000-07:002009-03-11T21:23:00.000-07:00"They are two entirely different entities, and rel...<I>"They are two entirely different entities, and religion, depending on those things you mention above, either impedes or enhances spirituality."</I><BR/><BR/>Precisely.Black Diasporahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08890792781361839105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019242355400566406.post-44027922305986697432009-03-11T03:51:00.000-07:002009-03-11T03:51:00.000-07:00BD,Thank you! That is profound, and well put. In p...BD,<BR/>Thank you! That is profound, and well put. In particular, I like this: <I>Religion, to the extent that it furthers the goals of love, can it be said to be relevant. <BR/><BR/>To the extent that religion enters into judgment, condemnation, and punishment, to that extent does it abandon love, and with it, its spiritual foundation.</I><BR/><BR/>That is so true. And that gets right the heart of religion, all it is and all it means. It is not synonymous with spirituality at all, as you say. They are two entirely different entities, and religion, depending on those things you mention above, either impedes or enhances spirituality.Sedahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13992966189983263290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019242355400566406.post-28833636583972832222009-03-09T17:56:00.000-07:002009-03-09T17:56:00.000-07:00"Care to expand on it a bit? Especially the spirit...<I>"Care to expand on it a bit? Especially the spiritual life..."</I> Seda<BR/><BR/>I call it living from the "inside out," rather than from the "outside in."<BR/><BR/>There are spiritual ideals revolving around a central sun we call love--forgiveness, kindness, joy, peace, happiness, and many others.<BR/><BR/>These ideals can't be found in our world as pure essence, but merely as manifestations, and expressions.<BR/><BR/>We recognize them when we see them.<BR/><BR/>As long as we dwell in Spirit (love, the totality of being), we always express that which love is.<BR/><BR/>Religion, to the extent that it furthers the goals of love, can it be said to be relevant. <BR/><BR/>To the extent that religion enters into judgment, condemnation, and punishment, to that extent does it abandon love, and with it, its spiritual foundation.<BR/><BR/>Yet, one can live a spiritual life without religion. The two are not necessarily synonymous.Black Diasporahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08890792781361839105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019242355400566406.post-81668743524076465342009-03-08T16:15:00.000-07:002009-03-08T16:15:00.000-07:00Hey, Anne, you're right, of course. Goodnevil ARE ...Hey, Anne, you're right, of course. Goodnevil ARE cop-outs, evaluations, and vary according to the individual using them. Thanks for the kind words, too. I'm with you on proxy, sovereignty, and karma.<BR/><BR/>David,<BR/>God as the essence of goodness is too vague to be useful, as is evil as the opposite. Some people think grapefruit is good. I don't. <BR/><BR/>More specifically, God is Love, Truth, Life, Beauty, Principle, etc. These words are relatively specific, much more meaningful. Now I have a picture of what "good" might mean...<BR/><BR/>First Domino, welcome. You're right, good and evil don't exist as anything meaningful. If they can be used to good purpose, more power to you! <BR/><BR/>Thanks for the kind words. Namaste!<BR/><BR/>Black Diaspora,<BR/>Thank you! I think you're exactly right. I also think there's a lot more to say on the subject. Care to expand on it a bit? Especially the spiritual life...<BR/><BR/>I appreciate yourSedahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13992966189983263290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019242355400566406.post-12268266339395311542009-03-04T22:31:00.000-08:002009-03-04T22:31:00.000-08:00"In a spiritual life everything is morally charged..."<I>In a spiritual life everything is morally charged; nothing is neutral</I>". <BR/><BR/>I would rephrase this comment a bit, and say that in a "[religious] life everything is morally charged," and that "nothing is neutral."<BR/><BR/>A life lived <I>spiritually</I> is a life lived within God (Spirit), a place where "morality" (judgment by certain pre-established rules) becomes null an void.Black Diasporahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08890792781361839105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019242355400566406.post-87812498622565827692009-03-04T21:46:00.000-08:002009-03-04T21:46:00.000-08:00The price was large, and continues to be large, an...<I>The price was large, and continues to be large, and there are plenty of people willing to condemn my choice from the comfort of their own moral armchairs. That's okay. They know not of what they speak. I met the needs of my family as best as I was able.</I> <BR/><BR/>Seda, we're living in a relative world, where one thing is given meaning as it relates to something else.<BR/><BR/>From my standpoint, neither good nor evil exist.<BR/><BR/>But they are useful tools, a way to experience Who and What We Are.<BR/><BR/>Therefore, I call somethings evil, and somethings good, well knowing that both are illusion.<BR/><BR/>And if taken that way, you could say that they both serve an important, valid, and goodly purpose.<BR/><BR/>And of course, only God is Good, because She sets the standards, and even from Her perspective, no judgment, nor condemnation arise from those standards, because, contrary to the church and religion, There's Only Her.<BR/><BR/>And God cannot stand in judgment of God.<BR/><BR/>Check our my previous posts on this and other matters.<BR/><BR/>From where I stand, you're heroic and awesome.<BR/><BR/>Before we entered this realm WE, in collaboration with our soul, established the canvas, the colors, and the brushes we would use to compose our Life.<BR/><BR/>How we respond to that composition (the experiences, the people, the situations) is left purely up to us.<BR/><BR/>And there are no judges, no arbiters in the end to condemn or to punish, outside of ourselves.<BR/><BR/>And if we judge, we can also forgive.<BR/><BR/>But to understand that there is nothing to judge, nor forgive, but that Life is merely an opportunity to create and recreate Who We Are, is the grace that propels us forward.<BR/><BR/>Therefore, live within that Grace, and live graciously.<BR/><BR/>NamasteThe First Domino דומינוhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15538497651318887097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019242355400566406.post-2090601555184073972009-03-01T10:56:00.000-08:002009-03-01T10:56:00.000-08:00Evil is the absence of Goodness, and God is the es...Evil is the absence of Goodness, and God is the essence of Goodness. <BR/><BR/>When Original Sin happened, man knew good and evil, and so man became his own judge of good and evil. Think about it. There are over 7 billion judges walking on this earth today all deciding what is good and what is evil. <BR/><BR/>God is the only One who can accurately know true goodness because it is Himself.<BR/><BR/>Anne, I like what you said about Pride and how someone could appear to be doing good, but have pride in doing it. True that. Not one of us can truly judge pure motives.David and Sarah Carrelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14387355127535702980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4019242355400566406.post-8929607387636019102009-03-01T08:56:00.000-08:002009-03-01T08:56:00.000-08:00Hi girlie,Good and evil are bullshit cop outs. Th...Hi girlie,<BR/><BR/>Good and evil are bullshit cop outs. There, there's my two cents.<BR/><BR/>Why? Because they are evaluations, often made in the moment about people or processes that are in the way or helping out a particular strategy, if I may use an NVC word. People cloak this completely spirit-less logistical evaluation in some kind of pseudo-morality to evade responsibility for their actions or evaluation. If I don't want you on my team, it's not because I don't want you on my team, it's because you are bad. There now the responsibility has been passed to you and it's your duty to find out why you are bad and correct yourself.<BR/><BR/>I cannot say enough against the good/evil thing. I advocate the position of:<BR/><BR/>NO PROXY (meaning you are on your own and it's on your head)<BR/><BR/>PERSONAL SOVEREIGNTY (meaning you own your own life and are responsible for your own actions)<BR/><BR/>KARMA (meaning if you do something, yeah, it will haunt you, and if it doesn't, you've done some tricky thinking to evade thinking about it)<BR/><BR/>BUT<BR/><BR/>I'm not responsible for everyone else. This is a tough one for me since I tend to rush in and try to make things better for people or take away their burdens. I've had to learn to value their own struggle and not just fix it no matter how much they want me to fix it. Dr. Coyote taught me that no matter what I did to help him, he would always misinterpret it completely the opposite and thus killed my pride in being able to help him. <BR/><BR/>That's a biggy--pride. People who often want to do good are just taking pride in doing this and not seeing that whatever they do it can be also judged as bad or evil.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps if we walked around and, for every time we were tempted to think "that's good" "that's bad" we thought "that's effective" "that's ineffective" because that's what's really going on, it would disable this MORAL thing from logistics of effecting different strategies to meet needs.<BR/><BR/>What you did was evil by some people's evaluation, but was it effective--it sure the HELL was, because here you are, blooming with health and life and the boys and K are so much better for it that there is no comparison.<BR/><BR/>Morality belongs in the realm of ethics, not action. Morality belongs in deciding if people are acting motivated by compassion and consideration. Moral judgment is for motives, not actions. And those motives are hard to get at. It requires a great deal of empathy and often it it better to just put it all aside and keep the evaluation to yourself. But it's often obvious if someone is trying to be considerate or acting from the heart or trying to take responsibility for their actions and feelings and thoughts and words and not just blame others for them.<BR/><BR/>In my book, you acted out of compassion, even though you knew that you might cause some pain. You acted out of compassion for yourself and that is the first place people have to have compassion and consideration, for if you cannot empathize with yourself, who can you empathize with? <BR/><BR/>You reached out to yourself and gave yourself a hand out of the dark hell of having manhood forced upon you. Was that good? Well, it was considerate, which is better than good by far.<BR/><BR/>Agh, you got me on my soapbox! <BR/><BR/>But I'm behind you all the way, I hope you know that. I know that you now have the possibility of loving yourself which made your previous life a living hell. <BR/><BR/>And the kids know that you're capable of loving them now, too.<BR/><BR/>that's evil??????<BR/><BR/>yeah, sure.<BR/><BR/>love and hugs<BR/>anneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com